102 points by parimm 2 hours ago|42 comments
Press Release titled “eMudhra to Exit global SSL/TLS Certificate Business; Will Sharpen Focus on Core Enterprise Solutions and trust services other than SSL/TLS”

https://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachLive/82503e00-335c-49dc-b022-f4633a08b642.pdf

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ieie3366 2 hours ago
Related: the absolutely brutal question battery the Chrome team publicly submitted to eMudhra

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2083449#c30

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hmokiguess 36 minutes ago
Why brutal? Reads very reasonable to me, nothing personal and nothing about someone or feelings everything about the entity and its obligations.
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chrisjj 21 minutes ago
Reasonably brutal.
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cromka 26 minutes ago
I think they brutally expose the utter incompetence of that company.
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altbdoor 2 hours ago
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solatic 2 hours ago
"will sharpen focus on... trust services other than SSL/TLS"

Is there some reputation left to salvage here that I'm not aware of? Who would trust them?

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ygouzerh 53 minutes ago
They will probably change their name soon
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NordStreamYacht 43 minutes ago
Not so easy. They're a publicly traded company, the regulations are quite stringent.
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giantrobot 35 minutes ago
Facebo...I mean Meta did it to distance themselves from the Cambridge Analytica scandal (among others).
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mixdup 25 minutes ago
eMuhdra is an Indian company. Maybe the regulations are different in India vs. America?
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esafak 45 minutes ago
The customers for certs are technical people capable of seeing past that, so let them change it every day if they want.
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crote 31 minutes ago
No, the customers for commercial certs are mid-level managers, who believe paying thousands of dollars for something you can also get for free means you are getting a higher quality - or in this case even believe it is "more secure". Rebranding will absolutely work for that, especially when you market your untrusted root as "ISO-certified private dedicated cloud-based PKI-as-a-Service".

The technical people will just install a certbot and use the default Let's Encrypt config.

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gumby 25 minutes ago
They probably have cash in the bank and want to try to put it into something that might make money. An extreme pivot.
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ahartmetz 2 hours ago
If they wanted to continue to make money, they could: exit the business, wait a bit, change the company name, and re-enter the business. Where "change the company name" could mean starting an actual new company, but with the same people, offices, contacts (OK, small problem there) and so on.
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jesuswasjew 2 hours ago
CA Forum, Apple, Google and Mozilla are to be blamed for just giving license to random no security background far away company.
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traceroute66 49 minutes ago
Yes, its all very well someone here shouting about "the absolutely brutal question battery the Chrome team publicly submitted to eMudhra".

But in all honesty there are serious questions to be asked about:

a) The initial approval process for ANY CA

b) The ongoing monitoring process for ANY CA

The fact this CA was based in India ultimately has nothing to do with it if we are being completely honest here.

Clearly there is a fundamental problem with the overarching approval and monitoring process which means it could have happened anywhere. This time it just happened to be India.

Secondly, in direct reference to the "far away company" comment India does have quite strict controls on both certain technical things (speaking generally here, not specifically in relation to certs ... e.g. use of sat phones). And in general it is quite difficult (read: almost impossible) to turn up in India and do business as an external company. So there is probably a genuine need for an Indian company CA since not every body can/wants to use Let's Encrypt or whatever.

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xbar 2 minutes ago
CA approvals are bad. From 2000 to 2015, I ran an org where we allow-listed a modest subset of the the CAs that were approved by Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla. There were too many incidents and bad actors.

Microsoft, in particular, had strong transparency around CA approval processes that were reasonable. It was weird.

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j16sdiz 43 minutes ago
like most governance body, they check independent audit reports, not the actual operation.

This is a sample on what it looks like during covid lockdown : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1728790

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cromka 25 minutes ago
> Far away company

Far away from it the default country?

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zerozerotwo 25 minutes ago
As a reminder Mozilla was warned not to add the Chinese government as a ca they pushed back claiming lack of evidence and only removed them as a ca once cnnic got caught issuing certs for google domains (by accident )
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geodel 49 minutes ago
Not to give into conspiracy theories but this company might be ideologically even if not materially aligned to current regime in India. With right kind of nudge any kind business contract is possible without any competency.
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DetroitThrow 2 hours ago
Yes, not sure what the timeline was where trust was given to this company. Just horrible for the entire secure Internet. They've yet to answer many of the basic questions raised throughout this process too.
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notSavonarola 2 hours ago
I have four (4) takes on the matter.
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FinnKuhn 29 minutes ago
If anyone else also struggles to understand all the "4" references in the comments: One of their private keys was "4", with others also being in the 2-3 digit range.

Apparently they generated them like this: https://xkcd.com/221/

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xbar 12 minutes ago
Smart business decision to have made 10 years ago. Thanks for the mess.
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TheCondor 33 minutes ago
“Oh you mean like PIN numbers?”

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTqEHehcETo

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crizzlenizzle 21 minutes ago
there is not a single tech person on that leadership page¹, how did they get into the industry in the first place

[1] https://emudhra.com/en/leadership

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zulux 47 minutes ago
" My new passphrase is "eMahidra4444". Now I have four-factor authentication.
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sterlind 29 minutes ago
nah, it's still be 2 factor, because 2 is a factor of 4!
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sambull 49 minutes ago
I think this opens bigger questions on who and how people get access to these capabilities. After that recent cold wallet physical supply chain take over, what sort of people are able to get certs for anything they need?
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paxy 44 minutes ago
eMudhra is primarily used by the Indian government, so not hard to infer how they got into allowlists.
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seatac76 2 hours ago
Terrible company, such evasive statements. Seems ripe for disruption.

Surely they should be investigated by the local regulator.

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adithyareddy 38 minutes ago
Yes, they are being investigated by the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology.

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/meity-forms-team-to-probe...

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vlfig 52 minutes ago
There must be criminal matter here.
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geodel 24 minutes ago
Maybe. But not in place where this company resides and does business with the government.
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mrlonglong 44 minutes ago
Oh dear, never mind.
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AdvitXSingh 49 minutes ago
yea sure, blame social media cause you are incompetent. nice
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ChrisArchitect 30 minutes ago
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malfist 51 minutes ago
I'm still waiting to read their post mortem with their ~~5~~ 4 Whys
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gamegod 2 hours ago
This press release was brought to you by the number 4
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49369201837 55 minutes ago
That's numberwang!
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jerf 2 hours ago
"You can't fire me, I quit!"