anigbrowl 9 hours ago
Not to play down anyone's stressful life experiences, but the sort of stress they're talking about in this article is more typically correlated with stressors like violence, hunger, or institutionalization in the first decade of life.
rho138 2 hours ago
So just 7.2 million households in the US. Minimize the marginalized more daddy.

> https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...

genxy 7 hours ago
So millions of kids in Gaza. :(
thibaut_barrere 6 hours ago
I do not read this in the article, I was more understanding that half the kids of the world could be concerned to a level or another, can you quote?
soulofmischief 7 hours ago
Great, I had all three of those in large helpings. :)
redrix 2 days ago
I remember having it drilled into me in High School that unless you did well on your finals:

1. You wouldn’t get the score you needed to get into a good University and/or accepted into the course you wanted. 2. If you didn’t get into that course, you wouldn’t be able to do <x> for a career. 3. If you DID get into the course you wanted, it needed to be at a top University (which of course required an even higher entry score) or else you’d find it hard to get a job afterwards.

Imagine all of that stress: Telling 16-18 year olds that unless you ace your tests, you won’t be able to do what you want to in life.

slfnflctd 2 minutes ago
I was utterly convinced at age 14 that I had ruined my life and any chance of a good career. I also was pretty sure the world was going to end soon. I started smoking cigarettes and experimenting with various risky behaviors.

Academic concerns may not by themselves count as trauma, but combined with other factors they can be the thing that pushes someone into total hopelessness.

syllogism 2 days ago
The optimal amount of stress about that stuff is not zero, and most teenagers are going to be desperately biased towards "none of this matters, just peermax".
AngryData 3 hours ago
Couldn't some of that because of how people act like EVERYTHING is the most important thing for kids to do, irregardless of how it actually stacks up, and some develop something akin to alarm fatigue and stop listening?

Plus almost everyone can get into a college, there is only really competition for a handful of elite schools. My college wanted SAT scores for admission, I did not take the SAT, they still admitted me without question. As long as you don't fail out your first two semesters in a row most colleges don't give two craps about your highschool performance.

NewJazz 2 days ago
I remember having it drilled into me in high school that I was procrastinating school work while at my mom's to avoid spending time with my dad and I was faking my sobbing for sympathy and I was a horrible person who was lucky to have a dad as good as I had and how I keep doing the same things wrong and I am a smartass prick who doesn't care about anyone but myself.

12-14 was rough.

School work stress was quite tame by comparison. At least your teachers don't scream at you for hours until you forget why.

squigz 16 hours ago
This is what I think of when I think of "early life stress" in kids - not worrying about school.
mrguyorama 15 hours ago
It's called "Adverse Childhood Experiences", or ACEs, and the field of psychology has found them to be extremely good predictors of future negative outcomes for a long time now.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8882933/

Things like abuse, neglect, natural disasters, basically anything that can cause trauma or significant stress.

Be a toddler and your mom's new boyfriend abuses both of you? Congrats, you brain has developed in a way that will not be conducive at all to your future, because instead of developing a functional reward system, you've developed a specific hyperawareness to manage the difficulty of living around one kind of abuser. This incredibly specific adaptation will of course, not prevent you from being an easy target for an entirely different type of abuser in high school.

(It's actually not that simple of course. Multiple ACEs are predictive of future troubles, not just one, so it's more like "A child who lives in an environment of constant stress, fear, and pain is likely to have a brain that didn't develop well" with a direction of effect unstated)

This is one reason why things like abuse and poverty are so damn cyclical. Your parents grew up in poverty and with abusive parents, so they have an elevated chance to abuse their children, and on and on and on.

This is also one reason why something like "Free food at school for anyone who wants it" is so damn effective, because it eliminates an entire class of ACEs from all those kids, and in the US, it also eliminates the horrific humiliation machine we've built around paying for school lunch, which might not be the best way to raise kids anyway.

mjevans 6 hours ago
It takes a village is so true. Children are something society as a whole should invest in, and fails to do so at risk to it's own future.

By society, I mean every one of us that plans to grow old instead of an early death.

Wouldn't it be nice to have two or three or ideally more generations of well adjusted people that grew up not fearful of hunger, nor lack of basic shelter, medical care?

Also, providing quality child care for any time the parent(s) are working frees up quality workers to do that... though a better work life balance would also help society.

InterviewFrog 8 hours ago
Alexander the Great won his first battle at the age of 18.

Treating 16 to 18 year old like 5 year olds is not the right way to go about it.

asphodele 6 hours ago
Sitting Bull killed his first buffalo with bow and arrow from horseback at the age of 10.
golly_ned 2 days ago
I don't think that's what they mean by 'early-life'.
astura 6 minutes ago
...Or 'stress' for that matter.
coldtea 2 days ago
The healthy reaction for 16-18 years old is to not give a damn about that, rebel, and discover the other (or the same) sex and partying.
euroderf 24 hours ago
Not to mention having all this on your permanent record.
basisword 3 hours ago
Exam pressure isn't the kind of stress they're talking about.

>> More than half of the world’s children are exposed to early-life stress from abuse, household dysfunction such as violence or drug use, or other traumatic experiences

porridgeraisin 5 hours ago
Is it wrong?
wiseowise 4 hours ago
There are many things in life that are “not wrong”, doesn’t mean you have to scar kids for life with this shit.
basisword 2 hours ago
"You need to do well in your exams because they're important for your future" is not 'scarring' kids.
leoh 2 days ago
I remember having this in middle school, it was a nightmare and majorly fucked me up
ls612 2 days ago
In mice.
dang 18 hours ago
Inmiced above.
leoh 2 days ago
"In mice" is the right caveat for outcomes and the wrong one for mechanisms. Nobody’s selling you a drug here--they’re describing a chromatin change, and that’s the part rodents are actually good for.

The alternative study design is randomizing infants to early-life stress and biopsying their hippocampi at 30. Committee’s still reviewing it.

sph 2 days ago
These pop-sci articles annoy me greatly. All I can think reading the title is “well, duh?” - they’re a complete tautology.

Let me explain: if an event or behaviour affects a person, it means that there must be a physical record of it. These types of articles confirming that such a record has been found might be great news for researchers, but for everyone else, the existence of this physical record was already known a priori. We are biological machines after all, all behaviours are encoded physically.

If there was no such scar in brain cells, there would have been no early-life stress.

This applies to other research such as “learning changes structure of the brain” or “drug addiction turns off specific neural pathways” or “brains of children with autism differ from neurotypical brains” or “athletes have more developed muscles”

Byte-Naut 4 hours ago
We do all know experience has its substrate, but one thing matters more—are they encoded as stubborn neural connections, mitochondrial damage, epigenetic marks, or something else to transform it into depression, long-term inflammation, or stress susceptibility, etc.? The current evidence emphasizes epigenetics. Only if we know what the 'it' is, do we have chance to change, rather than just knowing it exists.
T-A 5 hours ago
> if an event or behaviour affects a person, it means that there must be a physical record of it

Yes, and it (or at least one of them) has now been found. Maybe you don't care about knowledge for its own sake, but as the "irritating" press release goes on to point out,

“There are currently no treatments for what early-life stress does to the brain, partially because we have not had a clear picture of what molecular mechanisms to target,” Peña said. “This work is exciting because it reveals a clear mechanism, and also helps explain why the impact of stress is both latent and broad.

mattmcknight 10 hours ago
Scar is also a very loaded word to use here for something that is not a scar.
hamper653 24 hours ago
> Let me explain: if an event or behaviour affects a person, it means that there must be a physical record of it.

That record needn’t be inside individual brain cells.

oharapj 10 hours ago
It also doesn’t need to be a scar.. much easier to explain things as obvious post hoc than to predict them I fear
neuralkoi 3 hours ago
This article talks about a finding related to SETD7. This has implications for new treatments.
jdw64 2 days ago
Then my brain must be full of scars.
nemosaltat 2 days ago
When our Little, Stuart falls down we don’t even know what he remembers. [in mice]