leevilux 2 days ago
Given that there are so few trans athletes and assuming there is no advantage over women, it is very surprising that we have seen so many trans gold medalists.
angoragoats 2 days ago
Best I can tell there are currently zero trans Olympic gold medalists. Did I misunderstand your post, or if not, what am I missing?

Edit: I did find Canadian soccer player Quinn who is described interchangeably as non-binary and trans, despite those two things not being the same. The Canadian team did win Olympic gold in 2020. So maybe there’s one?

pseudohadamard 21 hours ago
There's zero of those AFAIK. However every time a trans athlete sneezes it's a week's worth of ready-made outrage on Fox and similar far-right story peddlers, which is why there's so much awareness around them despite their vanishingly-small presence.
conartist6 2 days ago
Perhaps the time is right for a new wave of interest in ultimate frisbee?

I was a bar the other day and there was an actual ultimate frisbee tournament game on TV with a commentator and everything. There they were, men and women playing a team sport side by side on the same field, and there was me watching with a beer! It was good game too with some banger hucks and bids

akramachamarei 2 days ago
Despite title, this study did not investigate the question of sports advantage, at least not directly. It looked at physical fitness, concluding:

> While transgender women exhibited higher lean mass than cisgender women, their physical fitness was comparable. Current evidence is mostly low certainty and has heterogenous quality but does not support theories of inherent athletic advantages for transgender women over cisgender.

I don't find this study especially interesting or pertinent on the subject of sports advantage, as it only covers a small number of possible Whys, but doesn't touch Whats. It would be more useful for researchers to compare actual sports performance. For obvious reasons, these studies are probably not available for metaanalysis.

cogman10 2 days ago
Yeah, it's just going to be pretty hard to really do any sort of good study here.

Like, for example, is the individual in question currently on HRT? When did they start HRT? What is their current testosterone levels? And when we dive into a specific sport, how do they actually perform?

The issue is that for any given sport there's like 1 or 2 transgender people participating in it.

angoragoats 16 hours ago
> Like, for example, is the individual in question currently on HRT? When did they start HRT?

If you had read the short abstract of the linked article, you'd know that they addressed at least these points.

timnetworks 2 days ago
A study would presumably also find no clear advantage in a fistfight between a husband and wife? Protecting half the population is countably higher stakes.
icegreentea2 2 days ago
Didn't find the full study, but what I'm pretty sure is a preprint is here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.05.05.25326994v...

One thing to note and I guess might be a bit of the puzzle is that the data clearly indicates that trans-gendered men have lower upper and lower body strength compared to cis-men, while the opposite scenario (transwomen compared to cisgender women) appears much less conclusive.

The trans-women vs cis-gender strength effects are heavily influenced by a single study. There are only 7 studies for upper body strength, 5 of which lean towards showing greater trans-women strength, 1 that leans towards reduced, and 1 (Alvares 2025) which clearly indicates reduced strength. Similarly for lower body strength there are only 4 studies with a similar pattern (once again, the Alvares 2025 producing the clearest TW weaker than CW effect).

The Alvares 2025 study compares amateur volleyball players. There are 7 trans women in that study versus 8 cis-gender women. Average hours per week of activity (or volleyball? Unclear, I'm working off the meta-review's summary table) is 4 for TW and 14 for CW. Average age is 30 (28-33) for TW and 26 (22-29) for CW.

I don't think that makes the Alvares study useless, but I do feel that it's deeply limited. 4 hours vs 14 hours a week is a pretty big difference in activity level.

catheter 2 days ago
Excited to hear some very normal and nuanced opinions on this.
sapphicsnail 2 days ago
The amount of people who wade into this fight without knowing a single thing about HRT baffles me.
rotichi 15 hours ago
Here's a detailed critique of this paper and its many flaws:

https://www.voidifremoved.co.uk/p/beef-trifle

dodu_ 2 days ago
The entire discourse about "trans in sports" has always been and will always be manufactured panic that is motivated by bigotry.

If one truly cared about (un)fairness in sports there are other issues that you'd address long before you ever even think of trans. So the only actual conclusion one can make is that that the people complaining about this don't actually care about fairness.

Instead, this "issue" only exists to serve as a vector to express bigotry in what they feel is a more socially acceptable way, mostly because they're too cowardly to actually own their bigotry.

The easiest test for this: If you were presented with a way to include transgender people in sports in a perfectly fair manner, would you be in favor of it?

nicenicen 11 hours ago
> The easiest test for this: If you were presented with a way to include transgender people in sports in a perfectly fair manner, would you be in favor of it?

There already is: competing with others of the same sex. Most people have no issue with this.

As an example, consider Hergie Bacyadan in the Paris Olympics. There was no controversy at all, as this was perfectly fair.

fauchletenerum 2 days ago
> If one truly cared about (un)fairness in sports there are other issues that you'd address long before you ever even think of trans

Such as?

mike_prixe 2 days ago
what about MMA/Boxing?