hackingonempty 2 hours ago
One of my hobbies is looking up old prices in the BLS CPI calculator to see what they would cost today (March 2026 is the latest data.)

The June 1940 photograph along Hwy 1 in Maryland had $0.05 hotdogs ($1.17) and $0.10 burgers ($2.34).

The Feb 1959 photograph from the NYC diner advertises a $0.45 burger ($5.14) and probably a $0.75 steak sandwich ($8.57)

dylan604 41 minutes ago
These prices adjusted for today's value seem off though. I'm guessing you'd be hard pressed to find a diner burger for $5.14 anywhere. No, fast food joints are not the same here and not part of this discussion.

Where is the discrepancy? I've never really trusted these "adjusted for inflation" type numbers. I'm not an economist so I have no idea how they are calculated, but they've always just felt off to me. Usually, the numbers are for something esoteric to me, but these are about something I have some familiarity. In my experience, the adjusted burger price is about half the actual cost of today.

bdunks 10 minutes ago
The Market Basket used to calculate the BLS CPI changes over time, which can make long range comparisons difficult.

I’ve read of political influence on the market basket to lower the reported rate of inflation by the incumbent party, but I’m not educated enough on the topic to give an opinion on if it happens.

gyomu 15 minutes ago
Things just don’t really convert neatly because the shape of what people spend money on in life hasn’t evolved uniformly.

Food appears somewhat cheaper, housing much cheaper; but clothing and tools/appliances were much more expensive. Things like student debt and healthcare costs are also interesting to compare and wildly differ over time & place.

Also common for the average middle class person to spend a sizable percentage of their income on travel/vacation today; as I understand it that was quite uncommon before the mid 20th century.

plemer 40 minutes ago
That may be the point. Simple inflation adjustment gives us x but the real price is more or less than x. Why is that?
JumpCrisscross 28 minutes ago
> Simple inflation adjustment gives us x but the real price is more or less than x. Why is that?

Restaurant economics are a function of ingredient costs and labour. I suspect ingredient costs are close to OP's estimated multiples. But real wages are way up since the 1950s. Anything with a large labour component of costs will have tended to rise faster than inflation, which is an average of goods and services.

(There are specialised metrics if you actually wanted to dig into this question.)

dylan604 20 minutes ago
Are you saying the prices listed were just for the ingredients and not the actual cost to the person ordering? They mentioned they saw the price in a photo which suggest it is what the person would be charged. I get that labor costs would cause an increase of raw ingredient price comparisons for total prices. But if you could pay buy a burger for a nickel but now need $10, there is a definite issue in just a "simple" adjustment that suggests you'd only need $5. If the numbers are that far off because the simple needs to be more advanced, what's the point of the simple numbers? Bad data is worse than no data.
vkou 6 minutes ago
Inflation is a measure of change in overall purchasing power.

What a specific purchase costs is highly dependant on the inputs, the cost of its labour (which might grow faster or slower than the average wage), and a lot of other factors.

Food is way more expensive today than it was 50 years ago. Airplane tickets are way cheaper. Everyone has a cellphone now, and middle class families have multiple cars, but a trip to the doctor will mean that ~15% of the population will be on the verge of not paying their bills.

chiph 3 hours ago
I took a visitor from Finland to a Jim's location in Austin, and they were in awe. "It's just like from the movies!" (because it was - it has been used several times as a filming location).

If you have a classic diner in your town, take your foreign guests there for the experience.

A_D_E_P_T 2 hours ago
Looks like they have them in Helsinki:

> https://maps.app.goo.gl/NCiZgiRjGckp6Jzn6

And if that doesn't appeal, there's another one: https://maps.app.goo.gl/e3ZWtXWEKPvDnded8

Something you've got to realize is that this form of culture is something that has gone far beyond America's borders. To the European, it is the very pinnacle of "American Food" -- and 50s/60s themed diners are all over the place.

From Belgrade, Serbia: https://share.google/qGq9vC7tKgf0ISyLz

To out-of-the-way towns in Austria: https://maps.app.goo.gl/bzHfTAobTRkHpvAN9

Germany's chock full of them. (The Germans are also more obsessed with "Cowboys and Indians" and Western US culture than any nation I've ever seen.)

France has multiple "American Diner" chains e.g.: https://www.happydaysdiner.com/

I'd hazard that there are nearly as many of these restaurants outside the US as there are inside of it. Within the US it's "throwback/nostalgia." Outside the US it's "exotic/kitsch."

Maybe your Finnish friend was remarking that the American version somehow felt more "real"? I don't know... I've been to all sorts, and the ones in Europe are truly very similar.

chrisco255 2 hours ago
Your first link is a restaurant in a shopping mall. It has the interior facade of being a diner, and it serves...avocado bites, spicy chicken nachos, kimchi burgers, etc. Not really the same!

Vegas has an eiffel tower too...

MrDrMcCoy 2 hours ago
Fun to see all that, but curious why I haven't seen any on any of my trips across the UK and Ireland. I even asked some locals and they did not know of any diners anywhere in the country. I would've thought they would've been all over it.
ericgreveson 49 minutes ago
We have an independent one, Herbie's, just down the road from us outside Cambridge. It's pretty good! They have a wide range of imported US fizzy drinks cans too!
A_D_E_P_T 2 hours ago
The UK has these "American Diner" chains too: https://okdiners.com/

I thought that the "Elvis Diner" was practically a meme in the UK, actually. Hah.

thaumasiotes 2 hours ago
> Something you've got to realize is that this form of culture is something that has gone far beyond America's borders. To the European, it is the very pinnacle of "American Food" -- and 50s/60s themed diners are all over the place.

What do they serve?

A_D_E_P_T 2 hours ago
Burgers, shakes, pancakes, hot dogs, sometimes BLTs and tuna melts. That sort of thing. In Europe, the "American Diner" is usually the only place that'll serve a normal plate of pancakes. (Everywhere else it's crepes, which are completely different...)
xeromal 2 minutes ago
Do they serve hashbrowns?
andrew_lettuce 2 hours ago
Fried chicken, liver and onions, biscuits and gravy - the breakfast options are my jam, but not really the other entrees. You can order dessert regardless though!
thaumasiotes 60 minutes ago
Sounds pretty reasonable.

Within the US, there are at least two major diner chains:

https://www.dennys.com/

https://www.ihop.com/en

At a diner in America, I'd be unsurprised to see some less "diner" offerings. When I go to my local non-chain diner, I order fettucine alfredo. And the article here has a good picture of a diner advertising "American and Korean food". I think part of the core diner concept is a somewhat athematic menu that is meant to cater to local tastes.

With that in mind, Cheesecake Factory might also be thought of as a diner. https://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/menu

So I'm a little surprised at the idea of a diner that only has classic burgers / shakes / pancakes, but I'd have to admit those are fairly core dishes.

xeromal 35 seconds ago
I'd say a waffle house is a better chain if you're in the lower Southeast. Much closer to a true diner experience
bigyabai 2 hours ago
I think there's a difference between the "squeeze-in" style diners and simply American-style diners like the ones you've posted. A lot of the nostalgia comes from the tiny prefab buildings that barely manage to fit a bar and row of booth seats. Those are the ones from the movies that feel more authentic/classic in person, at least to me.
flutas 22 minutes ago
I was really sad to learn recently an old diner I went to often in Venice Beach (Cafe' 50'S, on Lincoln and Lake) burned at some point and the building is just an empty husk now.

That place was great cheap food.

fellowniusmonk 2 hours ago
Jim's is legit amazing. I end up going very rarely but every time I do it's been a perfect diner experience.

I tried their liver and onions (an aquired taste it turns out I don't really have) and a slice of some meregiune pie and idk, it really transported me, the food is always very real tasting, it's hard to isolate what it is that makes so much food taste manufactured now.

It's like Donns Depot, places that connect us to some wholesome parts in our shared history.

joecool1029 45 minutes ago
NJ got snubbed in this submission. We still have tons of independent diners (around 450 according to this article: https://www.npr.org/2024/04/01/1241959475/new-jersey-diners-... )
Lammy 2 hours ago
> Not all diners look like train cars, but many do because they were fabricated to look that way, […] features a corrugated metal surface

Article would do well to mention that this particular style comes from cars manufactured by Budd Company, who developed the necessary process of welding the stainless steel, first seen on Burlington's “Zephyr”:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_welding

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Zephyr

tuvix 3 hours ago
Visited Portland, Maine recently and ate at Becky’s Diner there. What a wonderful place, the food was just what you would expect when walking in (and I mean that in the best way).

It made me lament the lack of old school diners where I live. Sometimes you just need a perfectly cooked breakfast and some solid coffee!

kshacker 3 hours ago
Don't know about "classic". But diners used to be my weekly jaunt here in South Bay for almost a decade. Not any more because with age you realize the quantity is too much and my drive to work changed (WFH). There's something special about going to your regular place, seeing the same servers, and them knowing your order before you say it. Probably the same in dinner restaurants but we don't repeat restaurants as often whereas the breakfast / lunch diner was weekly so very familiar (to both sides). Tried to switch places a couple of times just for experience but it never felt the same ... but you can make it work.
b00ty4breakfast 35 minutes ago
>...the quantity is too much...

Leftovers for a later meal. Unless there is something about work involved and not having a place to put the leftovers in the fridge.

kshacker 32 minutes ago
Thanks I have thought about that, but somehow it does not work with me. Fresh food is something else (and my assumption is the food is fresh, even if it is just heating/grilling)
yumraj 3 hours ago
which one(s) in South Bay? any recommendations?
kshacker 2 hours ago
My favorite is Holders Country Inn. I used to go to the one in Cupertino before it burnt down. They moved, this was on Deanza long time back, and the one on Wolfe does not have the same old diner feeling, it is for the next gen :) Now I go to the one on Saratoga. And while I do not go as often to other places, I have been to and liked Hobees, then there is one Joe's near Half Moon Bay. We go there as a family when we hike at Cowell Purisima trail nearby. And while I am rambling about places to eat, a recent non-diner discovery has been El Caminito on El Camino Real.
dinerdude 2 hours ago
Not OP but I'd recommend the Peninsula Fountain Grill in Palo Alto. Peter's Cafe isn't bad either if you've got time to kill near the Millbrae CalTrain station.
sgtaylor5 58 minutes ago
https://franksdiners.com

just looking at the video makes me hungry.

solomonb 2 hours ago
I love diners but they aren't affordable anymore! I want a cheap simple meal and bad coffee. The diners that seem to survive in this market end up up-scaling their menus. : (
cogman10 2 hours ago
Tastes have changed and I think people have been highly exposed to tastier dishes.

There's also the "Denny's" problem. Classic diners tend to be pretty much the same as a Denny's in terms of quality.

kube-system 2 hours ago
Yeah, chain restaurants have dominated most of the market everywhere out through and including the exurbs.

But if you go to somewhere deeply rural you can still find cheap crappy diner food.

SJC_Hacker 58 minutes ago
Waffle House is your jam.

Only in the southern US unfortunately

acheron 2 hours ago
Worcester, MA has several classic old diners still. Some used to be manufactured there, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester_Lunch_Car_Company
neves 2 hours ago
The photos does not display what I hate the most: the fixed 2 double seats tables. It is completely antisocial.

You can't arrive with your group of six friends and "join tables" so everybody can seat together. What Americans have against a big group of friends?

allthetime 2 hours ago
You can fit at least 6 in one of those booths. Get closer with your friends! You can also play musical chairs and lean over the divider (or could before covid)
rconti 2 hours ago
Doesn't fit in a rail car, at least not when paired with a walkway, and a counter/bar, and a kitchen?
thenipper 3 hours ago
Oh nice. I remember miss bellows falls from growing up!
contingencies 2 hours ago
I did a lot of research in to the evolution of US fast food culture recently, from a technology angle. If anyone would be interested in a run-down I might put together a video starting ~19th century and moving to present.
ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago
If you want to dine in an actual railcar, visit the Old Spaghetti Factory!

https://www.osf.com/

gowld 3 hours ago
Why is this boosted to the front page?
_doctor_love 3 hours ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

My intellectual curiosity was gratified, hence I think it's good.

andyfilms1 3 hours ago
It's lunchtime
AnimalMuppet 3 hours ago
Because some people here found it interesting enough to hit the upvote button.